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		<title>By: dee</title>
		<link>http://www.obannonsleap.com/2008/06/20/time-for-a-mea-culpa-minute/comment-page-1/#comment-4430</link>
		<dc:creator>dee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marketers need to be thick-skinned.  No need to take to heart what anybody else thinks or says.  You know what you are doing - Right or wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marketers need to be thick-skinned.  No need to take to heart what anybody else thinks or says.  You know what you are doing &#8211; Right or wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.obannonsleap.com/2008/06/20/time-for-a-mea-culpa-minute/comment-page-1/#comment-4391</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mitch, no worries from my end and while I appreciate the thought, there&#039;s no need for an apology at all.

Your points and questions are honest, and I know there are people who view marketers as immoral and unethical at best.

That view is deserved by some, but by no means all of us in my opinion. Still, I don&#039;t get in a huff when I or all marketers are perceived that way, I just let the conversation proceed and offer the best information I can. What others take away from it is up to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitch, no worries from my end and while I appreciate the thought, there&#8217;s no need for an apology at all.</p>
<p>Your points and questions are honest, and I know there are people who view marketers as immoral and unethical at best.</p>
<p>That view is deserved by some, but by no means all of us in my opinion. Still, I don&#8217;t get in a huff when I or all marketers are perceived that way, I just let the conversation proceed and offer the best information I can. What others take away from it is up to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Allen</title>
		<link>http://www.obannonsleap.com/2008/06/20/time-for-a-mea-culpa-minute/comment-page-1/#comment-4389</link>
		<dc:creator>Mitchell Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 05:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, well, if you can apologize, so can I. I responded to a comment you made in Caroline Middlebrook&#039;s blog (Do You Really Want to be RICH?).
I certainly didn&#039;t mean to insinuate that savvy marketers exploit unsuspecting consumers.
After reading your post, I felt bad for even putting that out there. I didn&#039;t want to hijack her post blathering on about ethics and whatnot - she does a good job covering that topic on her own:) - but I just wanted to let you know that the comment was not meant to be a jab, merely part of the bigger question.

Cheers,

Mitch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, well, if you can apologize, so can I. I responded to a comment you made in Caroline Middlebrook&#8217;s blog (Do You Really Want to be RICH?).<br />
I certainly didn&#8217;t mean to insinuate that savvy marketers exploit unsuspecting consumers.<br />
After reading your post, I felt bad for even putting that out there. I didn&#8217;t want to hijack her post blathering on about ethics and whatnot &#8211; she does a good job covering that topic on her own:) &#8211; but I just wanted to let you know that the comment was not meant to be a jab, merely part of the bigger question.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Mitch</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.obannonsleap.com/2008/06/20/time-for-a-mea-culpa-minute/comment-page-1/#comment-4387</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starting to suspect? I&#039;ve been doing this stuff since 1995 and would say that over the last 12.5 years 99.9% of my accumulated income came from outside the &quot;make money online&quot; markets.

Vic is a bit of a tool, but since you said my points were &quot;intelligent&quot; I&#039;ll play nice. :)

Actually, I&#039;m joking with the tool comment and hope if it gets back to Vic he&#039;ll realize that and laugh it off. Otherwise he&#039;ll probably post a &quot;F@c&amp; Scott Bannon&quot; video response and drive up my traffic.

Seriously though, some of his methods are too gray-area for me but I&#039;m sure he&#039;s making a killing with them and respect that.

I&#039;ve even linked to his blog in the past because for anyone interested in Bans or Bookmarking Demon stuff I think he&#039;s among the top goto guys to follow. You just have to get passed his ghetto mannerisms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starting to suspect? I&#8217;ve been doing this stuff since 1995 and would say that over the last 12.5 years 99.9% of my accumulated income came from outside the &#8220;make money online&#8221; markets.</p>
<p>Vic is a bit of a tool, but since you said my points were &#8220;intelligent&#8221; I&#8217;ll play nice. :)</p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;m joking with the tool comment and hope if it gets back to Vic he&#8217;ll realize that and laugh it off. Otherwise he&#8217;ll probably post a &#8220;F@c&#038; Scott Bannon&#8221; video response and drive up my traffic.</p>
<p>Seriously though, some of his methods are too gray-area for me but I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;s making a killing with them and respect that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve even linked to his blog in the past because for anyone interested in Bans or Bookmarking Demon stuff I think he&#8217;s among the top goto guys to follow. You just have to get passed his ghetto mannerisms.</p>
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		<title>By: lissie</title>
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		<dc:creator>lissie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I noticed u made an intelligent point over at Caroline&#039;s blog re that most money is not in the MMO niche.  Can I point u over 2 bloggerunleashed.com - I think u will find that Vic is articulating what u are starting to suspect</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I noticed u made an intelligent point over at Caroline&#8217;s blog re that most money is not in the MMO niche.  Can I point u over 2 bloggerunleashed.com &#8211; I think u will find that Vic is articulating what u are starting to suspect</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris, in general I absolutely agree with the idea of transparency. But I also think there are situations and circumstances which should dictate how candid and transparent a business is as well, because there&#039;s a line between providing necessary information and tooting your own horn.

If you insert cookies, collect data and etc., you should make that information available in your Privacy Policy along with details of how these things will be used.

On disclosing business information, G&#039;s terms say you should &quot;openly share information about your business and what it does&quot;.

I&#039;d say it&#039;s up to the business to decide what reasonably needs to be shared and what doesn&#039;t in each situation. If you run an affiliate site that promotes Amazon.com products does your name have to be disclosed there?--or is it reasonable to simply inform visitors that they will be interacting with Amazon.com while visiting YOURDOMAIN.com in your privacy policy?

If you run AdSense on your sites that&#039;s exactly what you have to tell your site visitors in your PP according to G&#039;s updated TOS. So, I&#039;d say that&#039;s a reasonable line in some situations.

In many cases we stay under the radar because that&#039;s better for everyone, including our visitors and customers who couldn&#039;t care less about us; only what we can do for them. 

A bloated about page with a company history and bio&#039;s for each associate serves no purpose beyond ego stroking in some cases, I hate having to waste time scanning them on sites myself when I&#039;m really just looking for a brief blurb that informs me of who and how to make contact if I need to.

There are toll-free phone numbers and mailing addresses available on nearly every web site I&#039;ve ever been involved with. It&#039;s just good for business to do so. But my name and mug-shot doesn&#039;t always appear with prominent placement because it simply doesn&#039;t need to.

As for G&#039;s points about honoring the deals you make and only charging for the products or services you provide... those are no-brainers to me. Of course you should follow those rules if you want to stay in business more than a day.

As for whether or not G&#039;s applying the same standards to index listings as their PPC offerings, you&#039;d have to ask them, and despite their posted positions on being &quot;open&quot; with information, I doubt they&#039;re going to tell you.

If I had to guess--and that&#039;s just what I&#039;d be doing, guessing--I&#039;d say there&#039;s probably some SERPs weight being given to sites that have clear Privacy Policies, AUP and TOS pages, and maybe even About pages too, though I would doubt that since they&#039;re often nothing more than an expression of vanity rather than informative to visitors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, in general I absolutely agree with the idea of transparency. But I also think there are situations and circumstances which should dictate how candid and transparent a business is as well, because there&#8217;s a line between providing necessary information and tooting your own horn.</p>
<p>If you insert cookies, collect data and etc., you should make that information available in your Privacy Policy along with details of how these things will be used.</p>
<p>On disclosing business information, G&#8217;s terms say you should &#8220;openly share information about your business and what it does&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s up to the business to decide what reasonably needs to be shared and what doesn&#8217;t in each situation. If you run an affiliate site that promotes Amazon.com products does your name have to be disclosed there?&#8211;or is it reasonable to simply inform visitors that they will be interacting with Amazon.com while visiting YOURDOMAIN.com in your privacy policy?</p>
<p>If you run AdSense on your sites that&#8217;s exactly what you have to tell your site visitors in your PP according to G&#8217;s updated TOS. So, I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s a reasonable line in some situations.</p>
<p>In many cases we stay under the radar because that&#8217;s better for everyone, including our visitors and customers who couldn&#8217;t care less about us; only what we can do for them. </p>
<p>A bloated about page with a company history and bio&#8217;s for each associate serves no purpose beyond ego stroking in some cases, I hate having to waste time scanning them on sites myself when I&#8217;m really just looking for a brief blurb that informs me of who and how to make contact if I need to.</p>
<p>There are toll-free phone numbers and mailing addresses available on nearly every web site I&#8217;ve ever been involved with. It&#8217;s just good for business to do so. But my name and mug-shot doesn&#8217;t always appear with prominent placement because it simply doesn&#8217;t need to.</p>
<p>As for G&#8217;s points about honoring the deals you make and only charging for the products or services you provide&#8230; those are no-brainers to me. Of course you should follow those rules if you want to stay in business more than a day.</p>
<p>As for whether or not G&#8217;s applying the same standards to index listings as their PPC offerings, you&#8217;d have to ask them, and despite their posted positions on being &#8220;open&#8221; with information, I doubt they&#8217;re going to tell you.</p>
<p>If I had to guess&#8211;and that&#8217;s just what I&#8217;d be doing, guessing&#8211;I&#8217;d say there&#8217;s probably some SERPs weight being given to sites that have clear Privacy Policies, AUP and TOS pages, and maybe even About pages too, though I would doubt that since they&#8217;re often nothing more than an expression of vanity rather than informative to visitors.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Scott, how do you think not disclosing about us and contact us info squares with Google&#039;s Transparency guidelines which they publish in their Adwords training center under their Quality section: http://adwords.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46675&amp;ctx=sibling

While I realize that the section relates to PPC, I was wondering if you think Google might be applying the same standards for SER.  Any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Scott, how do you think not disclosing about us and contact us info squares with Google&#8217;s Transparency guidelines which they publish in their Adwords training center under their Quality section: <a href="http://adwords.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46675&amp;ctx=sibling" >http://adwords.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=46675&amp;ctx=sibling</a></p>
<p>While I realize that the section relates to PPC, I was wondering if you think Google might be applying the same standards for SER.  Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Another mea culpa is due...&lt;/strong&gt;

I listed several bullet points of my online marketing resume in this posting and referred to them as my own accomplishments. However, the truth is that without the assistance and support of Heather, Chrissy and Roberta (listed in no specific order) none of these would have been possible and I&#039;d still be lingering in &quot;what to do&quot; land without each of them.

:) So, &quot;my fault&quot; guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Another mea culpa is due&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I listed several bullet points of my online marketing resume in this posting and referred to them as my own accomplishments. However, the truth is that without the assistance and support of Heather, Chrissy and Roberta (listed in no specific order) none of these would have been possible and I&#8217;d still be lingering in &#8220;what to do&#8221; land without each of them.</p>
<p>:) So, &#8220;my fault&#8221; guys.</p>
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